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Post by Diane Henry on May 8, 2009 0:54:53 GMT -5
First of all lmao at the fake Diane thread by whoever it was. I can stay invisible if I want bitch.
Anyway, I'm not surprised you both ended up here. I saw this coming all the way back on the first day and quite possibly the first hour of the game. Your both are associated with tib like a majority of the players from this game, I want to know who's got a bigger connection with tib between the two of you and why? Give me some examples.
Nathan
I want to know your overall opinion on the whole Sheila/Natalie account scandal. With you yourself being a host would you allow something like that in one of your games? If someone did that what would you have exactly done if anything at all?
I tried contacting you a few times yet you never once contacted me, why was that because there were many tib cliques playing and you didn't need to talk with me or was there some other reason behind it?
I offered to not put you up if I ever won HOH yet you didn't take me up on the offer and still nominated me. Why not agree to the offer as that's something that would have only helped you?
Sheila
We've never really talked besides for at the one challenge of course a conversation I initiated. Just curious why you never contacted me, was it you were entirely comfortable with your tib cliques or is there some other underlying factor? Also why should I vote for someone that never bothered to talk with me?
I'm not going to get much into the whole account scandal. It won't affect my vote but I think your lucky you didn't get punished or even expelled. I'll just ask if you ever hosted a game, what would you do if you caught someone doing the same thing you did? Would they be expelled, would they be punished in some way, would they even be punished at all?
Both
How about giving me 3 ligament reasons or examples why your game is better then the person sitting next to you.
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Post by Sheila Kennedy on May 8, 2009 11:22:14 GMT -5
EXCUSE ME?!?! I DONT ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH TIB!! Just had to get that out of the way.  |
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Post by Nathan Marlow on May 8, 2009 21:42:39 GMT -5
I obviously have a bigger connection to TIB. I am an admin there and have been for about 2 years now, so I have spent a lot of time with the site. Before that I was a moderator for nearly 2 years at NAIE which was the old name for the site, and I have hosted 4 games so far there, and am about to begin my fifth. That being said though, I haven't played a game on TIB in about 2 years. So I actually have never played a game with anyone in this game actually on TIB. A lot of them I played with elsewhere and TIB probably does make our connection stronger, but I think this little incestuous community just partially encapsulates TIB. Like Parker and Lori have never played on TIB, but a lot of people still knew them. And Sarah and Howie are regulars at TIB, but I have never even played with them even off of the site, so this was my first time with them. I'm kind of rambling and I'm not quite sure what you want in examples, but overall, I would say I have a bigger connection to TIB even though Sheila has actually played with some of the other houseguests on TIB.
Well when I first heard about it, I was thinking.. "Why would you do that!?" It seemed pretty obvious that it would be frowned upon and I really wish it never happened. I think the Chelsbot handled it in the best way possible, and I would have done the same. There is really no good resolution to all of that unfortunately. I think if they had been expelled or given penalty nominations, that the game would have been disrupted way too much, more than the actual incident even did. I can first hand say that even after it happened, Sheila was not even close to convinced that Natalie was telling the truth until Jun came out with it. So yeah, I would have just addressed it publicly, amended the rules, and just tried to keep the game moving. I have even updated the rules to my upcoming game to involve a scenario like this so that it won't even happen, and if it does, there will be more of an outline of how it will be handled.
Well I think the biggest reason was that we were barely ever even in the same house. Only two weeks out the six you were in the game. And I really just didn't see you on that much. The night I first came over to Brigantia and immediately won HoH, I did want to talk to you and I was waiting around but you never came on. I understand we are all busy though and you did send me a PM, which I will get into more in the question below. Eventually you did find me for a conversation and I did try to get to know you a bit, but overall we just were never on the same page much, with times we were online and where were positioned in the house. And with you not being so active, I honestly just never felt the need to that much when we were in the same house.
You did offer me that, but at that point, we had never had a conversation. I didn't really know if your word was good or not. And mostly, options were limited and there were other people that I wanted to keep safe. There was no way I was nominating Daniele or Sarah, and I had a good connection with Will. So that left you, Danielle, and April. April was who I wanted to go, and mostly I decided to go with you because it had been said that you might be aligned with her and/or Natalie and I thought if you won the veto you could possibly take April off. It was just strategy. Sure, I could have taken your deal, but I already had my mind made up, and I went with it. Ensuring April's exit was more important to me than making a deal that may not even help me.
1. As I said in my opening statement, I think I played a well-rounded game, moreso than Sheila.
2. I never was all that much of a huge target until later in the game. Sheila was in danger (people wanted her out, it obviously couldn't happen since she won so many challenges) at a lot of points because she pissed some people off.
3. And lastly, because I think I did a better job of having more options with more people, and just getting to know people better. She pretty much aligned with the people I expected her to and I don't think she talked to other that much. I would not have expected my alliances to turn out the way they did and I think I tried to reach out to other options more.
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Post by Sheila Kennedy on May 9, 2009 13:14:27 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm not surprised you both ended up here. I saw this coming all the way back on the first day and quite possibly the first hour of the game. Your both are associated with tib like a majority of the players from this game, I want to know who's got a bigger connection with tib between the two of you and why? Give me some examples. First off, we didn't allign because of some "TIB connection" or whatever. We weren't even alligned day 1 and most certainly not hour 1. But if you must know, Nathan definitely has a bigger connection with TIB. He's an admin on the site, has been on there for like years, and probably knows way more people than me. I only joined less than a year ago because someone asked me to play in their game, and at first I said no like 100 times because I HATE that site so much but I can't say no when someone asks me to play because I'd feel bad. Unless if I don't like a person or I'm just not interested. Anyways, I just played that one game and then All Stars the next season. I don't even know why I've stuck around the site, except like it's funny to laugh at all the ridiculous drama that goes on between some of the members and I like being mean to some of them. My alliances were not TIB cliques lol. I was actually against some of the TIB people in the game, like Howie and April. The other people that I was alligned with that just happen to be from TIB, I knew before I even joined that site. But anyways. Like I said in Parker's question, I do have a tendency to not talk to people that I don't see myself working with at all. From the very beginning I figured you and Natalie were close, and I wanted her and her alliances out of the way ASAP. So yes I guess I was comfortable with my ALLIANCES (not tib cliques). And despite not talking to you, I feel like you should vote for me because if the we switched places, and I was on the jury and you were in the final 2, you'd want me to give you a chance despite you not talking to me. Because let's face it, the "conversation" we had was just you asking for help on the challenge, you didn't really message me either. So if you were in the F2, you'd want to be given a chance and have the players vote for who played the best game, not who they talked to the most/least and who they were best friends with, etc. Well for me it would depend on the situation. If someone just went full out and hacked an account and messed with shit, I'd expel them. If I caught someone doing the exact same thing I did (which wouldn't involve "catching" since me telling everyone was how they found out) then I'd probably find out exactly what happened and punish accordingly. If someone let someone else on their account and the person started digging through confessionals, messing with shit, whatever I'd probably give a harsh punishment (I don't know what exactly...this is why I don't host). If someone went on their account and just looked at a vote like I did, I'd try to see how much it affected the game. In my case, I didn't even believe the vote (as ridiculous as that sounds) so I probably would have just given a warning but if I felt it did affect the game in some way then I'd give a punishment. I also would like to say I really didn't fight to get out of any punishment, I would have taken anything that was given to me. 1. I was able to control my own fate most of the time and accomplish what I wanted done with all my competition wins instead of leaving it in another person's hands. 2. I feel like I worked harder and got the work done that both of us wanted and needed done. Some of the things he wanted done, only happened because of me because I had similar interests and was able to put plans into action. 3. I was able to set things up at the end exactly the way I wanted to. From F6 on I felt comfortable with everyone. However, as for Nathan, in the F5 HOH, Nathan was the first one that Will attacked in the HOH, which probably shows he wanted Nathan to win the least out of everyone. Natalie wanted Nathan out desperately at F5. Nathan was one minute away from being evicted at F4. There were numerous scares that he faced at the end which I feel like I didn't. And I was able to get the F3 that I wanted from week 2 to the end. |
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Post by Sheila Kennedy on May 9, 2009 13:21:17 GMT -5
1. As I said in my opening statement, I think I played a well-rounded game, moreso than Sheila. 2. I never was all that much of a huge target until later in the game. Sheila was in danger (people wanted her out, it obviously couldn't happen since she won so many challenges) at a lot of points because she pissed some people off. 3. And lastly, because I think I did a better job of having more options with more people, and just getting to know people better. She pretty much aligned with the people I expected her to and I don't think she talked to other that much. I would not have expected my alliances to turn out the way they did and I think I tried to reach out to other options more. 1. I never had the chance to prove that my game was well rounded as well because I was too busy dominating at challenges. Sorry but I'm not going to not win one just to be like WELL THIS IS THE WEEK I WANT TO PROVE I CAN GET BY WITHOUT WINNING CHALLENGES SO IM GOING TO THROW IT. No, I'm going to win if I can win, and I did. 2. You also pissed people off to the point where they withdrew themselves from an alliance with you (Natalie). And also, you WERE a target as Will even said, we would have been nominated together because you were seen with me. But if you insist I was the bigger target, then I think I should deserve more credit for getting myself here. 3. As I said in Parker's question, I had an alliance with Eric and deals/promises to Will, both of which I didn't know coming into the game. There also was Karen who I never got along with in the past that I tried working something out with week 1. And even you, who I had always found boring and you also previously backstabbed me. I don't know why you expected me to allign with the people I did, when I had only really been alligned before with Sarah and while I have attempted to work with Natalie, we had never gotten along. But the "She pretty much aligned with the people I expected her to" comment can basically be applied to you as well. You stated your main alliance was to Lori based on past relationship and you also mentioned your relationship with Daniele. Both were so obvious that I think some people wanted you guys split up right away, which probably played a part in people voting Lori out round 1. Not trying to start a fight, just defending myself. |
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Post by Nathan Marlow on May 9, 2009 21:21:16 GMT -5
You bitch! Nah, it's all good. But I will defend myself as well... Basically I feel like all 3 of your reasons all stem from the fact that you won damn near every challenge. Which, yes, I give you total props for that, and I don't blame you for trying hard and winning them all. It would be stupid to try and lose to prove you didn't need to. And as for making myself a target, that was basically all because I decided to stick by you my dear  . And that Natalie thing... well that's just another story. But I don't really think I had that target until later in the game was my point, I admit I had a target, but I feel like you had one at earlier points in the game. Yes, I did align to Lori which was obvious. But she was voted out in the first week, and my point was basically that I regrouped and found a different way to go and it worked out. I have never aligned with Sheila or Natalie in a game really, things have never worked out with Jun and I, but I guess that wasn't too much of a stretch, and I never thought you and I would be close. Eric, Will, and Keesha were totally new and I aligned with them. Parker was kind of borderline predictable I suppose, but that never really went anywhere. Daniele is the one predictable one that lasted long, but... yeah. She didn't make much of an impact. I guess I should give you a little bit more credit here than I gave you though  |
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. And that Natalie thing... well that's just another story. But I don't really think I had that target until later in the game was my point, I admit I had a target, but I feel like you had one at earlier points in the game.